How To Install Shingles #2 Getting Started



hi I'm Shannon from house improvements calm in today's video I want to just show you how to basically get started on a roofing project so this video is going to deal with getting the underlay laman started which in our case we're using a grip guard or ice and water protection whichever one you prefer as well as getting the starter strip and the first row of shingles going so we've obviously stripped the roof off already as you can see you can see our other video dealing with stripping shingles and we've gone around and made sure all the nails are pounded down and that there's nothing protruding all the boards are tight and and solid there's no rot so we've basically got the roof all prepared we're ready to shingle depending on your type of shingles that you're using some manufacturers don't recommend shingling over a roof that has individual boards with spaces like this they may recommend that you sheet the entire roof right over top of this well you either rip this off and reseed it or sheet over this with 7/16 or three-eighths plywood in this case I'm not really too worried about it the space is very minimal and I've already done the other side of this roof four or five years ago and there hasn't been any problems so but just double check with your manufacturer they may void your warranty so just be aware of that if you decide to go ahead the way that I am without sheathing it that you may void your warranty so okay so roof is prepped we've got some of the ice guard rolled out so that we're just over in this corner ready to go basically what we want to do for that before we get started is we want to install a drip edge on this edge now I'm are using the existing one here just because it was in good shape if you're adding a new one basically all you want to do is go along the eave add your roof with this aluminum drip edge whatever color you decide to choose and just install it with a few few shingle nails holding it down okay no rocket science there just get it on there don't worry about the you need it up that edge you up the rake end but we aren't going to worry about that rate at this stage I'll get to that a little bit further down okay so once we have that we want to then measure our grip guard material and at each end of the roof I want to measure up a measurement in regards to the width your grip guard so that we can snap a straight line to get the grip guard running straight your eave here probably isn't straight okay you want your grip guard to be on to this metal for sure I try not to have it hanging over because it just looks bad the shingles we will hang over but the grip guard I don't so just make sure that the grip guard is going to seal onto this metal by at least an inch when you determine the height of that line okay so snap that line is a straight lot guide get your grip guard up there roll your grip guard out in relationship to that line now the grip guard basically it's a eve protection and so this in this case it's helping for ice dams and that sort of thing now depending where where in the world you are that might not be an issue for you you might be able to just use 15 pound roofing felt for the whole roof in this area there's an issue with possible ice damming and and that's a whole different thing I'm not going to go too into the explanation of that but basically it's just water and snow freezing and melting and freezing and melting and working its way backwards up the shingles so this is just an extra layer protection to prevent that from getting in the house in my area here this edge of that material needs to be 12 inches inside the exterior wall below so actually it would be inside the house line and because we're a little bit lower slope here we're actually going to do a second roll to get us 24 inches inside of that wall okay so basically we've got about a 12 a 24 inch overhang on our roof here so my wall inside the house the exterior wall is somewhere under this area so we're just trying to be 12 inches inside of that and in my case 24 so we're going to use a second roll of this once we get going okay so this material it's much like a shingle it's you know got the same kind of makeup as a shingle but it's got this backing on the back that you can see here that we peel off as we go to help it stick down once the Sun gets on there for a couple days it'll just blew it bond it right down to the plywood or the board's that you have here for your roof so so I'm going to roll this out and I'll just use the odd I got my stapler we're going to use the odd staple in it just to roughly hold it in place until it bonds down obviously once we shingle over it it's all that's going to hold it down to this material also as you shingle over it and obviously puncture it full of a few holes it kind of closes right up around those nails just in case somebody's wondering about what why bother if we're just going to punch it full of a thousand holes but it does kind of self seal itself so so I'm just going to roll this out a little bit at a time here I've got my line up here I know you can't see that I'm trying to keep this straight keep as many wrinkles out of it as I can we've got this backing started it's it's basically split in the middle so you've got a top edge and a back edge to kind of peel out one other thing that I just you might notice me look over my shoulder always be aware of where the edge of the roof is so you don't fall off you just always got to be leery of that okay so we're kind of getting that down it was hotter today that would seal down quite well right away we're just putting a few staples up in this edge just to kind of tack it there it's a little breezy today I don't want the wind to rip it off on us I'm just going to peel that out all the way and I'll come back and get the bottom edge if you get a little bit off this line don't be too worried about it but try to stay as close as you can to it which is just help everything stay nice and straight look back make sure you don't have a whole bunch of wrinkles those wrinkles will just kind of show right through the shingles even once you're finished if it's really wrinkled bad get rid of that now on the bottom we've got the same thing I mentioned about pounding all the nails down in the roof early on in the video and part of it is when you're pulling that plastic out they get snagged on any that are sticking up so if you can kind of get them down I've actually got feels like they got something under there got an old nail under there okay so we just had an old nail that popped out underneath that membrane stick it down I'm going to throw a few staples along this end here as well okay just to keep the wind from getting under it not too worried about down here it's it's going to stick down to that metal pretty quickly once the Sun comes around and we'll be getting a starter roll on there as well anyways okay so we've got that started down and the next thing you want to do is basically to get started with the shingling actually before I start that I'm going to talk about this drip edge on the side of the roof so we've got a gable roof here so we need a piece of this drip edge this is the material right here okay you'll notice I'm using two different ones I've got a little bit different one here that I can get in my area you may not be able to get that style so you might be using this all the way around that's fine now as we progress up this roof I've already talked that I'm going to do another roll of the ice-barrier eye shield up here and then a from that point on in my area I've got to use two layers of 15-pound roofing felt on the entire roof under the shingles okay along these edges the gable ends I actually want this to be on top of that felt on top of this as well so that if you can imagine if this is your side of your roof okay this roof goes out there if water or snow or anything is driving this way and gets actually between this and your shingles it can run under your shingle come out here and actually get on to the felt paper or the the whatever you got for underlayment and it'll run to the bottom of the roof without going into the wood or soaking into the wood okay if you had this underneath if this was under that under your underlayment the rain and that could just go right between them and right into your attic or whatever do some damage so so on the ends you want this to be over top of all your underlayment down here we've got it underneath because water is rolling down and it's then it's onto here and oh it into the gutters so okay so two different ways to do that now because of the wind today I can't roll this whole roof out with paper taffet's just going to rip off before I get it shingled so what I'm going to do I'm going to actually leave this off until we get a little bit of the shingle started and then I can once the shingles are over here on this edge I'll just come and tuck it underneath there and get it started and then you know once we get a little bit further it's just because it's such a long length if I if I just tack it down here and leave it hanging up there the winds going to rip it off in this crazy country today okay so you will see at some point in my other video showing installing like actually shingling the roof you're going to see that piece on there and hopefully I'll remember to mention about it again so okay now to get the roof started we've got our underlayment perfect we're good on that end what we're going to do this is the shingle we're using we're using a laminated architectural shingle as our actual finished shingle so you can see we've got some doubled up areas here when these are all done it looks really good it looks like you know a shake roof or you know a nicer nicer style roof instead just a three tab or interlocking which most areas and can't get anymore but anyways this is just a normal three tab here so this is basically your other option it's three tab rooms like that now with the three tabs or architecture all you need to start with a starter strip what that is is basically just an extra layer of shingles right at the edge of the roof okay over top of your underlayment you can buy a starter strip from your different shingle companies really all you need to do is buy a pack of three tab shingles same color as what you're using for your main shingles take the shingle normally this is how it would be on the roof turn it half a turn this way use this as your starter strip okay so we'll put this on our first row of shingles will line up completely with it and what that does is it just gives us a double layer of protection right here plus the underlayment okay so just cheaper to buy a three tab and do it that way you're still getting the same still getting the same thing now to get that started we want to have a nice straight line just like we did with the with the underlayment so we're going to do the same thing we're going to measure the shingle we're going to saw where we're going to measure this this one here this is the three tab shingle we're going to use for the starter strip and I'm just measuring the width of it and what I want when it's all said and done is ideally I'd like it to hang over about a quarter inch past the drip cap okay so that means whatever this measurement is which i think is thirteen and a quarter we actually want to line about thirteen inches up from the corner that drip edge to follow to get us nice and Street and that'll give us our quarter inch overhang some people like more I wouldn't go any less than a quarter inch on your overhang depending how crooked your roof is you may not you know some spots that might not hang over quite that much so this fairly street so like I said I'm going to mark my measurement up here on this end and that end then I'm going to hand my partner there the chalk line we're going to snap that line so that we can get started here okay so we've got our mark out here I'm going to roll out the chalk line give that to my helper he's going to go all the way to the other end of the roof and we've got a mark down there corresponding to the same thing are you making out you're good there okay and I'm going to stretch this out and get a nice nice and taunt so we get a nice true line just like that okay so that's our our guide line basically so we can hopefully get a nice straight start to this shingle job I usually like to use that do the starter strip just by hand nailing and dragging the holes along and a lot of times you don't have the luxury of having a scaffold to work off right here so you're working up on the roof you know basically hang over the edge nailing upside down the nice thing with the scaffold that we set up it does a couple different things that's it's mainly for the camera guy to have a decent area to shoot from but it also is a bit of fall protection so that we don't have to be harnessed off we have to be very careful still out at the outer edges so we probably should be harnessed off still there but this gives us the fall protection we need on this side okay so I'm going to get rid of my stapler okay so remember I said we're going to turn that one upside down just like it is here now and the same thing like like I said we want to hang off a quarter inch on this edge which are our line will give us there we also want to hang off about that same amount or even half an inch on the far end so just want to take the time to get started out here correctly and I can see that this is already a little bit I think we're going to be alright it's a little goofy here because this drift badge is kind of bent out of shape to match up on top of this gutter guard okay so mark line the top the shingle up up there on there and we're going to nail up I'm going to stay away from this end so I can get that piece in we're going to nail about halfway up the shingle I'm going to put five five nails in this one I would normally have one out there and I'll be able to add it once I have that trim work in there okay so you just want to keep going along all the way along the length of the roof putting the starter strip down don't worry too much about what's going on down here we're worried about this line we have up here so that we get started out nice and straight but the shingles in tight to each other a few nails out of here you may want to wear safety glasses just depending how crazy your nailing okay I'll do one more just to get a little ways along here and you could use an air nailer for this I will for the main part of the roof but like I said I just like to have nailing to get started here it's just one less thing in your way okay so you go all the way along the roof cut it off with your whatever you decide you wanna for overhang down there and then the other part of getting started is getting your first actual course of the finished shingles on the roof now with this particular shingle we want to be nailing there's a doubled up section here we don't want to be nailing above this tar strip up here otherwise they're not going to hold for the wind load that they're supposed to we need to basically nail right along that tar strip and that'll be in the double layer of the shingle you can kind of see there's a line here you don't want to have any or nails below that because then they're going to be exposed so there's kind of you got a you know maybe three-quarters of an inch area there to nail into and you want to be fairly precise with that now we're starting with a full full length shingle here on this very first roll we're flushing it up really just flushing it up to the starter strip that we put on all the way along narrow get down there there and out there and these particular ones they for my winds and roof slope and everything they recommend six nails in this one I'm staying back from the end so we can put that trim in again after I'm nailing rate at the tar strip so I came in about an inch or I would be coming in about an inch from each end and then space the other four nails out within the shingle okay just like that so for this role we want to just do that same thing all the way along right on top of this one that we did I'll do one more here the subsequent rows after this we'll deal with in the next video so you'll need to look for that so we're just budding the shingle together coming in about an inch into the tar strip nail length if you're using an air nailer one inch inch and an eighth nails are more than enough with the air nailer for the main body of the roof the ridge cap is a little different you're going to need longer nails to get through all the layers you have we'll talk about that in the other video too but if you anything your hand nailing and you should even if your air nailing you should have some hand nails around as well because you're going to need them you could use the one-inch nails but I wouldn't recommend it because you're just going to beat your fingers to death so I like to use about an inch and a half nail gives you lots of room to get your fingers on it get the nail started without smashing your finger with the hammer so so we just work work along like that and really the only concern here to watch for is that you're not going to end up with this seam in this layer lining right up with the seam and the one below try to stay at least three or four inches off set these two shingles are different lengths so I didn't have to cut one or the other to get started to make that happen so it should work out right to the end of the roof but just be aware of that as you go my forgetting anything I don't think so I think that pretty much handles it so like said in the next video you're going to see us do more with this roof as we get up higher we're going to have some vents to go around ridge cap all that kind of stuff we're going to deal with that molding down there as well so so hopefully this gave you some a good idea on how to get started on your roofing project and you know we always enjoy when people come to the forum and let us know how their project turned out after they've used our videos for some help or you know maybe get stumped at one certain thing we didn't cover it or you didn't quite understand what I was saying come to the forum post your question up and I'll be sure to answer you as soon as I can so other than that you want to get a little more sick of me you can follow me on Facebook Twitter you can check out our patreon campaign all that kind of fun stuff and just stay in touch with us and also any of the videos bar as you watch and you like them click the thumbs up button not a hope so thanks a lot

40 Comments

  • matt davos

    April 14, 2019

    Looks like Edmonton

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  • Lindsay Knuth

    April 14, 2019

    Your very professional…. Good video…

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  • Sneaky Little Raptor

    April 14, 2019

    This helped me a lot as I am new to owning a home and my insurance is useless.

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  • Mike Michaels

    April 14, 2019

    Great teacher!

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  • Sean

    April 14, 2019

    You made the same mistake I see MANY times. You broke your starter shingle and your first shingle in the same spot, completely defeating the entire purpose of a starter shingle. The starter shingle is NOT to "give you and extra layer." It's so you don't have a leak at the edges of the bottom row. Insane how many roofers make this same mistake. This causes a leak and ruins the soffit and fascia. I've dealt with this many many times..

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  • Michael White

    April 14, 2019

    Ole plumb bob chalk line lol? Damn good remodeler/carpenter/teacher for sure!!! I'm a framer and did windows/doors in the past, but always wanted to learn the right way to roof!! Sweet!!

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  • Jeff Williams

    April 14, 2019

    You are the best teacher. Thank you.

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  • David Taylor

    April 14, 2019

    I've done roofing before but forgot alot of the details and ur video is very specific helping me prepare for the task at hand. Thank u very much. Well done video

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  • Donnie Sudayko

    April 14, 2019

    Where’s your safety harness

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  • Milos Stevanovic

    April 14, 2019

    I have learned so much from you sir. From remodeling bathrooms, funding the retaining wall, building the shed, roof, and now this. I cant thank you enough for your help.
    Thank you very much.

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  • Patrick M. Parisou

    April 14, 2019

    Old timer here. This Canuck really did a great job. Don’t agree with everything but this is a damned good video!

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  • Jeff Brick

    April 14, 2019

    So I thought the starter should be cut so the tar is closer to the bottom to stop the shingle from lifting I from wind let me what u think thanks

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  • itchynights

    April 14, 2019

    buddy is soooo canadian. love it

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  • Levi Godwin

    April 14, 2019

    Question! I see a lot of builders in Texas use plywood or something like that above the roof rafters. Yours is different like 2x4s, could you talk a bit more on why? Thank you!

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  • G Billy

    April 14, 2019

    Great video clear and precise.

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  • rob wells

    April 14, 2019

    i almost started at the top?

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  • Jon Ellis

    April 14, 2019

    Thank you for the great video!

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  • Jaime Santiago

    April 14, 2019

    Thanks ?..really needed that buddy!

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  • Bruce Kwak

    April 14, 2019

    I just like the sound of his voice

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  • BINH NGUYEN

    April 14, 2019

    ???THANK YOU SIR

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  • Denis Carlesso

    April 14, 2019

    Thanks for the video. Just curious what kind of roof the neighbor has in the background?

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  • daleon96

    April 14, 2019

    i like to cut the shingle in half, leaving the tar strip on, and use that for my starter strip..that way the tar is on the bottom by the drip edge holding down the shingle by the edge of the roof

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  • Chris Spanyer

    April 14, 2019

    If you use 3 tab singles you’ll want to cut off the 3 tabs and point the tar strip down so it looks like a starter shingle so it will hold the very edge of first row of shingles down for wind storms

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  • Saul Mecxin

    April 14, 2019

    Well people who make bad comments are simply morons and assholes, simple as that.

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  • jcnme2020

    April 14, 2019

    Excellent Video Brother !
    We will be starting our roofing project soon

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  • Cool Charlies

    April 14, 2019

    Very educational video for beginners!

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  • rich McFarland

    April 14, 2019

    Thank you for all the videos you do. You are a tremendous help!

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  • rich McFarland

    April 14, 2019

    To all you so called pros knocking this guys videos put up or shut up..make your own video then in terms and demos people can understand to be able to fix their own roofs. Don't worry about losing money not everyone wants to mess with it.

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  • Rene Aguirre

    April 14, 2019

    If you think about why he made the video it would be clear. Hes showing those that are not experienced how to roof. Hes not showing journeyman / foreman how to be faster. If he would of made the video that way i would be lost. So many neg comments. Its easy to pick apart peoples videos from the comfort of your home. I dont think most of the people talking crap would dare post a video of themselves, too scared of what people might point out. I enjoyed the video, great work bro, Thanks.

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  • Fernando Roman

    April 14, 2019

    you talk too much get to the point on crip.

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  • Shane Thomas

    April 14, 2019

    Too much yappin man, get to it already.

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  • malayali

    April 14, 2019

    Hi
    I want to this job
    I am from India….. Help me…

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  • Frances Moore

    April 14, 2019

    This is good thanks

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  • Nicholas Huss

    April 14, 2019

    Should every roof including a shed have a double layer at the bottom like the one in this video?

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  • MsJinkerson

    April 14, 2019

    aspinite sheathing is cheaper

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  • Michael MacNeil

    April 14, 2019

    Ship Lap ?……..this roof needs to be re-Sheeted to obtain Warranty.

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  • Lowlow

    April 14, 2019

    Too each their own bit starter strip isnt just another shingle, and i usually start with a half shingle first to avoid my seams matching up

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  • TShirtArtDesignQueen Leo

    April 14, 2019

    you are the most patient best teacher ever…so grateful for ya

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  • JUDITH BLAKE

    April 14, 2019

    I like watching him. He explains very well. With a lite cute accent too

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  • Scott Hoffman

    April 14, 2019

    starter with tar strip doesnt matter unless your applicating 20 yr. the architect solid shingle has a tar strip on the bottom of the shingle… common sense goes a long way. Stripped starter easier extra tar strip lol i guess the struggle in the mind is real with some people…

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