How to Install an Alternative to Gutters



there's one project in particular that I wrote in about I've got a problem here oh yeah you definitely have a gutter problem there's no end caps here brackets falling off the spikes are coming out this joint definitely looks like it will leak oh and there's no brackets on that gutter well you have a outlet for a downspout then again no downspout yeah so this is a project that I really wanted to tackle myself the downspout being one of the biggest problems though the water coming down pooling here I'm concerned about it getting the basement so I said why don't we switch it put the downspout in the driveway but then you know the winter the ice yeah you don't want that so I'm really hoping you might have some alternative for me well you know a lot of people will want to take the gutters off they don't want to deal with them they think they're a problem they gotta clean them and everything else but they're important to protect the house water coming off the roof gets into the gutter and then it's dispersed away from the buildings like downspout if you take that gutter off the water coming off the roof hits the ground splashes back hits the side and you could brought the siding and even yourself but in this situation you know what I have an idea that we can put something up here that will take the water off the roof hit that and then disperse it so you're not getting splashed back on a bit all right all right you want me get some tools we get started all right Greg if you see anything like this before never well I'm gonna call this a gutter list gutter gutter less gutter all right all right it's actually a louver and you can see it right here and it will mount to the fascia board on these brackets right here now as the water runs off the roof like a waterfall it'll splash on to the louver because of the angle of the louver it takes that water that's coming down and turns it into raindrops and pushes it away from the building okay so first thing we need to do is remove your old gutter and mount the brackets let's do it okay get these spikes used to call spikes and Pharaohs which is just a long spike it goes through a tube try to work those out actually use drywall screws that's a no-no you should be using that okay before we install the louvers I want to correct the problem that I see done wrong a lot see this piece of metal right here this is called a drip edge and it's designed to break the surface tension from the water that falls off the roof so what exactly is surface tension well it's like adhesion so a lot of people think that when the water comes off the roof it'll fall straight down well a lot of it does but some of it actually sticks to the shingle and it will run up and hit the drip edge and then run down if there's nothing to stop it it will continue to stick to the fascia board run under run down on the fascia board here rotting the siding and the fascia board so what I want to do is create a gap or a space right here at the lower edge of the drip edge so if the water comes down around it will fall down straight so all I need to do is bend this out about a quarter to a half an inch all the way down the roof couple of last things I want to do there's no finished trim piece here so I want to fill that gap right there with some caulking and I also want to just touch up these holes where the spikes and Pharos were hopefully stopping some water from getting in behind all right we're going to start mounting the brackets to the fascia board we're going to come in 10 inches from the end 30 inches to the center and another 20 inches for the other end now the manufacturer wants the bracket mount it to the fascia board as far down as you can get it they want a minimum of four inches from here the top of the louver to the bottom of the edge of the roof they also want it to be inch and a half to two inches from the fascia board to the leading edge of the roof so when the water falls off it'll splash on to the louver okay ready to screw that into place okay now you can get the louver in just push this back in clip it that one okay that's it three more to go and we're done good push odd [Applause] all right Greg everything's in and it feels like we're gonna get some rain but I don't want to wait for the rain so let's try it out now old spray some water up on the roof but this could be like a heavy rain so my guess is that it's gonna run over it and past it it's when it slows down we'll see what happens when it hits the louver see it's out and hitting the louver and it's pushing it right out that's pretty cool it's great working good listen thank you so much for helping really appreciate it my pleasure boy I don't know Tommy I mean I love the fact that it kicks the water away from the sidewall but all these years we talk about catching the water and moving it away from the house and it's all just dropping right next to that garage well it was a pretty tight spot and they had good drainage down there and you're right water should be kept away from the foundation so when the water drops down you can always put a French drain above-ground in there and a pipe to get the water away so on a big house we would probably have a drainage system down on the ground I would say so yes okay all right so the key is that the manufacturer wants to make sure that the the water comes off the roof and hits the center of the louver or as close to the louver as possible so they're worried about the distance between the edge of the roof and the edge of this fascia right here exactly right and that distance has to be no more than two and no less than an inch and a half all right so if your roof is closer to the fascia board they make an extender right here that screw on the fascia board and that will kick the edge out so that when the water falls it falls down in 10 for the Sun roof they're also particular about the mention from here down to the top of this louver right it's got it down a certain height what if you don't have enough fascia to fix it too well if you have a narrow fascia board they make a bracket right here that can be screwed to the bottom of the fascia board and you can adjust it down as needed again they want it further down the better it is it comes off the roof the water splashes in there and then disperse it yeah I know you're always trying to protect against the effects of surface tension and the drip edge I mean you hate the fact that it's touching the fascia that's just a pet peeve of yours because the water is the enemy it'll come down off the roof it'll stick to the to the fascia board as it falls if there's not a space here I usually like that gap to be at least the thick of my fingers so when the water comes down it won't stick to the face you're bored riding it and your fingers are pretty thick yeah so you built this one and so this is the distance that you like to see and here you've got it not just on the fascia but you've got it going up the rake as well wherever there's a transition from the surface it should always be live a space like a windowsill for example an angled windowsill the rain comes down on the windowsill hits the comes off hits the leading edge and it wants to go back up if you look under that windowsill there's usually a dado yeah and that dado is a is a groove that when the water comes down it hits that groove it drops it wet it drops away good information as always thank you thanks for watching this whole house has got a video for just about every home-improvement project so be sure to check out the others and if you like we can see click on the subscribe button make sure that you get our newest videos writing your feet

41 Comments

  • Notsofast L

    April 14, 2019

    I’m more interested in the drill he was using than the product.
    It looks small, light and powerful. Anyone know it was?

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  • j05hh86

    April 14, 2019

    After this install my only thought was… how long will it take until this homeowner has water damage or leakage into his basement. I love watching ATOH but this recommendation was not a good idea. Mike Holmes would be embarrassed and shacking his head on this one.

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  • Michael Gorden

    April 14, 2019

    Never seen a comment section with so many people with common sense for once!

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  • Matt Frownfelter

    April 14, 2019

    Downspouts should divert water at least 6 feet away from any fountain. So this moves water max of 18 inches away? Not a good product. I love TOH but this one is a no go.

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  • alberto escamilla

    April 14, 2019

    I'm not convinced

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  • Mark St-Onge

    April 14, 2019

    I can’t believe someone actually invented that garbage.
    Seriously!! This guy is clearly not to bright.

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  • Scott Speed

    April 14, 2019

    Love this show and am a big fan of Tom Silva, this louver idea….not so much.

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  • jeff glass

    April 14, 2019

    I thought they would flush mount it onto the facia board so the louvers deflect the rain away, in theroy, but the way this is installed is totally useless and wasteful

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  • jules11788

    April 14, 2019

    I can tell this guy is a pro because of his grey hair, mustache, and east coast accent

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  • Michael Evans

    April 14, 2019

    The biggest thing a gutter system does is gets the water away from the building so over the years so you don’t get settlement damage.

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  • Aardvark

    April 14, 2019

    Crap!

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  • Sean Coulman

    April 14, 2019

    What a complete load of rubbish. How is fitting this crap system and then a French drain better than fitting a very simple gutter which has never caused issues that can't be easily rectified once in a blue moon.

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  • Pablo Pablo

    April 14, 2019

    What was it that you were there tom?

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  • Sundown798

    April 14, 2019

    Have fun cleaning the pine needles out of that thing while you pay a 5 year loan on your French drain…. smh…

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  • Jim Morrison

    April 14, 2019

    Embarrassing

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  • jack johnson

    April 14, 2019

    Man that sucked. This old house must have have made some good money showing the product

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  • Caleb Mcclure

    April 14, 2019

    Wouldn’t the wind just blow it back onto the house?

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  • Mike Taylor

    April 14, 2019

    run that gutter long put a b elbow on it and run dounspout to other side of garage. those louvers are junk. been installing gutters for 20 years

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  • Flatus Antiquitous

    April 14, 2019

    If you live in snow country you do not want gutters. They just freeze up and help build an ice dam. What you want is a large over hang and a metal roof. The snow slides off the roof and falls on the ground and makes a big pile. Don’t stand under the eave or you’ll get clonked, but you’ll never have a collapsed roof or an ice dam. Gutters are for city slickers.

    This roof had about a 1 inch overhang. Looks like Harry Homeowner built it.

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  • Victor

    April 14, 2019

    I can’t see this replacing ACTUAL GUTTERING .

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  • Mountain Views

    April 14, 2019

    That's really awesome I'll be offering this to customers and be putting this on my work shop thanks for this Tommie thumbs up my friends

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  • Switch On

    April 14, 2019

    So, who's paid by the manufacturer to air this worthless product on TV?

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  • Gun Owner

    April 14, 2019

    JUNK

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  • Steve Benson

    April 14, 2019

    What's your kick back for this piece of crap. So were did you run the water to the house. What a joke.

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  • matttylerrrr

    April 14, 2019

    Is that drill from toys R us?

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  • Jacob Henderson

    April 14, 2019

    Everyone on the comments acting like a professional

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  • Truckin RV

    April 14, 2019

    As the owner of a professional gutter company this is just a bad idea! This does absolutely nothing to remove the water from the foundation. You should also note that the gutters that were on the garage to begin with were Home Depot do it yourself or specials that don’t work and are prone to leak weeks after installation!

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  • Jordan

    April 14, 2019

    I love all of these comments about moving the water AWAY from the side of the house/outbuilding, LMAO!!!! Did any of you assclowns even watch the ending? Tom said their was good drainage down below the eave. Also they talked about installing a French Drain in case the drainage is poor… Damn people, LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN…

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  • Domenic DeSensi

    April 14, 2019

    That’s crap

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  • Ricky Wright

    April 14, 2019

    Ever heard of a thing called leaves?

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  • John Mara

    April 14, 2019

    JOKE

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  • Sang Phachit

    April 14, 2019

    I have a 10 foot tall shed. Do I need a French drain if I install this drain?

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  • Steve Hee

    April 14, 2019

    I love tommy, but this product is crap and he knows it, someone paid them to use it lol

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  • jtech0

    April 14, 2019

    Seems like could be nice, i'm tired of gutters and stuff all freezing up and turning into blocks of ice and ice dams, this seem like would be better, but not sure. I honestly thought I remembered it shooting the water out sideways farther. If it could send it a few feet that would be fine, this just looks stupid. Think heat tape and old gutters may be a better bet. This may be fine on a slab building like a garage, etc. Seems to help break up at least some of it.

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  • Bread Knight

    April 14, 2019

    Looks like something I can make with some mini blinds. Now if I can get some sun for the foundation

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  • Christopher Duncan

    April 14, 2019

    First off he doesn't know anything about caulking. So why in the world would I trust him to know about water. I work with wood rot on houses everday. I see first hand what works and doesn't work. And this is nothing but a huge problem with water getting into your house. Now I can see this being used as a gutter guard or something but not a solution to diverting water. Bad mistake.

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  • Ronald Treitner

    April 14, 2019

    Gimmick. Idea of a gutter is to get water away from building to prevent water damage and this system won't do that. That guys problem was he completely screwed up the entire thing. Its needs a gutter done correctly and downspout can be done in numerous ways and directions. So instead of spending a few minutes to run a proper system he pushes crap.

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  • Old Timer

    April 14, 2019

    Observing the water coming down onto that louver product is only splashing water all around which it really is not serving any purpose at all.. be better off to spend the money to put a correct gutter in to let the rain run away from the house not to let it hit the house with such a poor designed product I am surprise that TOH would even put a video out on this horrible product that does no justice..

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  • ddd hhh

    April 14, 2019

    Seems like regular gutters are going to be better than the louver in 90+% of installations . . .

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  • wardell1518

    April 14, 2019

    It's all a matter of trade offs, if you well sealed basement walls or ground sloping away from your foundation and you hate cleaning gutters, you will love it. I have mine for 20 years and over my concrete drive way sloping sown to the street, its been great.

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  • Brocoli Muncha

    April 14, 2019

    Junk

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